Re:Creators Episode 4 Discussion

Apr 29, 2017 5:05 PM

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asteron said:

xull said:
Pretty informative episode and they finally used logic.

What logic? She is putting out a baseless supposition without any evidence. We don't have a shred of proof so far that activity from Creations cause any damage at all.

I meant they mentioned the logic and we still don't know if it's true.

Apr 29, 2017 5:57 PM

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Like Meteora said, this is just my hypothesis: I think The Military Uniform Princess came from the future and her Creator is actually Souta. She just seemed interested in him, and I have a feeling that it's the only thing that could make him an important main character. If not, he's just a good-for-nothing.

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Apr 29, 2017 6:36 PM

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Informative episode. Metora loves her food

Apr 29, 2017 6:44 PM

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Is that an AOTS I spy?

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Thus I pray, Unlimited Waifu Works!

Apr 29, 2017 6:50 PM

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AnimeFanboy1234 said:
Warning: Pretentious rant incoming

10...damn...minutes...of characters...talking in a room...giving out obvious dragged out exposition...a speech about hope or some shit that we never SEE...
And then ANOTHER 10 minutes...of characters talking about...things we already know...
Of course we know that the characters have been, "translated" or some shit when entering the real world, and that their physics-defying powers may cause destruction of some sort. You don't need to spend more than 5 minutes telling us this!
Even in Fate/Zero where we are actually given little direct info about the servants, those small bits of info were shown and elaborated. You could actually FEEL, that they are HEROIC SPIRITS.
In Re: Creators, what is there to enforce that these characters, are from stories? That they have magical outfits and powers? That's every fantasy anime ever. That they, "talk about coming from another world"? WHAT ARE THOSE WORLDS?! GIVE CONTEXT!
When Saber talked about her ideals of what it meant to be king, you would just go, "Fuck yeah, now THAT is a heroic spirit right there!"
In Re: Creators, when white-haired girl talks about having a, "wonderful world", you go, "Wait, what? What world? What's your world like?"
When white-haired girl began to write something as obvious as, "trace" with fucking letter cookies, I could not stop laughing. At this point it shows that the studio has stopped giving a damn. You know what, at least make it full-blown ridiculous with dramatic music like the potato chip scene from Death Note.
What is the point of a voice over montage when the characters doing the voice over are doing the montage? In other words, why not just have the characters eat pizza AND talk at the SAME TIME, aside from not having to anime both, spending time, effort, and resources?
"I bought this box of cerial with my face on it, cause I liked it!"
NO SHIT! WHAT OTHER REASON IS THERE FOR YOU TO BUY A F*CKING BOX OF CEREALS, WITH YOUR FACE ON IT?!
Stop calling the villain, "Military Uniform Princess". Call her ANYTHING, as long as the word "Nazi" is in the name. The creators of this are Japanese, who are from a country that's recent fought with Germany. We know the girl looks like a Nazi, the studio knows, just call her a fucking Nazi. I'm begging you.
Fuck it. I've been WAY too nice to this series. Dropped. If I want to see an anime where story characters beat the shit out of each other, I'll just rewatch Fate/Zero for the 3rd time.

I agreed with everything you said up until the Nazi part. That was just false. The Japanese were part of the Axis forces in World War II, they were on the same side as Germany, and the character has no similarity to a Nazi whatsoever besides wearing a military uniform whose design is absolutely NOT that of the Nazis.

Apr 29, 2017 7:05 PM

#56

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MartinNik said:

Strident said:
When world building, there are much better ways to do so than talk to the audience. Souta is so incredibly passive that I feel like I'm just being lectured about the plot. Meteora's conclusions come at a very convenient time for flimsy reasons, and all the interesting interactions in the background go unvoiced while Meteora just TALKS TO THE AUDIENCE. Not once, but twice.

I cannot stress how lazy this kind of directing is. When writing a script, you should try to show, not tell. There is even less excuse in a visual medium since the whole point is to show. But instead, we get told while watching a bunch of mini-scenes that aren't even voiced. This show is just bleeding potential all over the floor.

Maybe it's impossible to show something you can't see, at this point in time the phenomenon Meteora is explaining is not happening and probably there won't be any traces for a while. This exposition was just a way to give characters motivation to fight for the world instead of just destroying it.

That or maybe the whole anime industry right now has a boner for Minase Inori's long drawn out speeches

That's why you could have just spent that time having the villains do... anything at all that would make the protagonists want to oppose them. We don't need a 'destroy the world' plot line, nor do we need it to be drawn out of thin air. Searching for Himegimi's creator is a good idea without any of that justification. Presenting the theory that is 'in the right direction' for narrative purposes is very unhelpful and drains all the potential out of the show.

Apr 29, 2017 7:10 PM

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Strident said:

AnimeFanboy1234 said:
Warning: Pretentious rant incoming

10...damn...minutes...of characters...talking in a room...giving out obvious dragged out exposition...a speech about hope or some shit that we never SEE...
And then ANOTHER 10 minutes...of characters talking about...things we already know...
Of course we know that the characters have been, "translated" or some shit when entering the real world, and that their physics-defying powers may cause destruction of some sort. You don't need to spend more than 5 minutes telling us this!
Even in Fate/Zero where we are actually given little direct info about the servants, those small bits of info were shown and elaborated. You could actually FEEL, that they are HEROIC SPIRITS.
In Re: Creators, what is there to enforce that these characters, are from stories? That they have magical outfits and powers? That's every fantasy anime ever. That they, "talk about coming from another world"? WHAT ARE THOSE WORLDS?! GIVE CONTEXT!
When Saber talked about her ideals of what it meant to be king, you would just go, "Fuck yeah, now THAT is a heroic spirit right there!"
In Re: Creators, when white-haired girl talks about having a, "wonderful world", you go, "Wait, what? What world? What's your world like?"
When white-haired girl began to write something as obvious as, "trace" with fucking letter cookies, I could not stop laughing. At this point it shows that the studio has stopped giving a damn. You know what, at least make it full-blown ridiculous with dramatic music like the potato chip scene from Death Note.
What is the point of a voice over montage when the characters doing the voice over are doing the montage? In other words, why not just have the characters eat pizza AND talk at the SAME TIME, aside from not having to anime both, spending time, effort, and resources?
"I bought this box of cerial with my face on it, cause I liked it!"
NO SHIT! WHAT OTHER REASON IS THERE FOR YOU TO BUY A F*CKING BOX OF CEREALS, WITH YOUR FACE ON IT?!
Stop calling the villain, "Military Uniform Princess". Call her ANYTHING, as long as the word "Nazi" is in the name. The creators of this are Japanese, who are from a country that's recent fought with Germany. We know the girl looks like a Nazi, the studio knows, just call her a fucking Nazi. I'm begging you.
Fuck it. I've been WAY too nice to this series. Dropped. If I want to see an anime where story characters beat the shit out of each other, I'll just rewatch Fate/Zero for the 3rd time.

I agreed with everything you said up until the Nazi part. That was just false. The Japanese were part of the Axis forces in World War II, they were on the same side as Germany, and the character has no similarity to a Nazi whatsoever besides wearing a military uniform whose design is absolutely NOT that of the Nazis.

I don't care. It looks like a Nazi uniform from my perspective, therefore it's a fucking Nazi uniform.
I warned that this was gonna be a pretentious rant.
I'm just saying.

Apr 29, 2017 7:13 PM

#58

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[quote=Strident message=50539988]

MartinNik said:

Strident said:
When world building, there are much better ways to do so than talk to the audience. Souta is so incredibly passive that I feel like I'm just being lectured about the plot. Meteora's conclusions come at a very convenient time for flimsy reasons, and all the interesting interactions in the background go unvoiced while Meteora just TALKS TO THE AUDIENCE. Not once, but twice.

I cannot stress how lazy this kind of directing is. When writing a script, you should try to show, not tell. There is even less excuse in a visual medium since the whole point is to show. But instead, we get told while watching a bunch of mini-scenes that aren't even voiced. This show is just bleeding potential all over the floor.

Maybe it's impossible to show something you can't see, at this point in time the phenomenon Meteora is explaining is not happening and probably there won't be any traces for a while. This exposition was just a way to give characters motivation to fight for the world instead of just destroying it.

That or maybe the whole anime industry right now has a boner for Minase Inori's long drawn out speeches

Why does it matter if it, "makes sense within context" if it's fucking boring? Of course it makes sense to see a slice of life character sleep for 6 hours straight. Does that mean anyone wants to see it? Hell no!
You can make your story believable within context WHILE constructing it in a way that won't bore your audience to death.
If your audience, in this case any individual, wants to strangle themselves when watching your anime, well then you failed at entertaining them.

Apr 29, 2017 7:14 PM

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xull said:

asteron said:

What logic? She is putting out a baseless supposition without any evidence. We don't have a shred of proof so far that activity from Creations cause any damage at all.

I meant they mentioned the logic and we still don't know if it's true.

It was more of a theory, but one they took WAY too seriously.

Apr 29, 2017 7:27 PM

#60

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Pretty lovely episode
The first couple of minutes is quite sad knowing meteora creator died, I'm glad she move on really fast (damn 1 night completing a game, meteora must be a really gamer) Waifu goal lol
I like the interaction between alice and mamika, looks like Alice is kind of easy to be manipulate
Tokar is maybe being celesia part in himegimi side
Love that ending, the fat guy and rui is gonna be a comedy side of this series
We knowing that himegimi side and sota side will be fighting again in near future, the world is on the way to be destroyed
Himegimi looks kind of revenge to real world though
People who complain about to much talking is silly, we need more explanation about this series, and is 2 cour anime, it's just episode 4 man, there is still 18 episode again there's still lot will be going on

Apr 29, 2017 7:42 PM

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AnimeFanboy1234 said:

Strident said:

AnimeFanboy1234 said:
Warning: Pretentious rant incoming

10...damn...minutes...of characters...talking in a room...giving out obvious dragged out exposition...a speech about hope or some shit that we never SEE...
And then ANOTHER 10 minutes...of characters talking about...things we already know...
Of course we know that the characters have been, "translated" or some shit when entering the real world, and that their physics-defying powers may cause destruction of some sort. You don't need to spend more than 5 minutes telling us this!
Even in Fate/Zero where we are actually given little direct info about the servants, those small bits of info were shown and elaborated. You could actually FEEL, that they are HEROIC SPIRITS.
In Re: Creators, what is there to enforce that these characters, are from stories? That they have magical outfits and powers? That's every fantasy anime ever. That they, "talk about coming from another world"? WHAT ARE THOSE WORLDS?! GIVE CONTEXT!
When Saber talked about her ideals of what it meant to be king, you would just go, "Fuck yeah, now THAT is a heroic spirit right there!"
In Re: Creators, when white-haired girl talks about having a, "wonderful world", you go, "Wait, what? What world? What's your world like?"
When white-haired girl began to write something as obvious as, "trace" with fucking letter cookies, I could not stop laughing. At this point it shows that the studio has stopped giving a damn. You know what, at least make it full-blown ridiculous with dramatic music like the potato chip scene from Death Note.
What is the point of a voice over montage when the characters doing the voice over are doing the montage? In other words, why not just have the characters eat pizza AND talk at the SAME TIME, aside from not having to anime both, spending time, effort, and resources?
"I bought this box of cerial with my face on it, cause I liked it!"
NO SHIT! WHAT OTHER REASON IS THERE FOR YOU TO BUY A F*CKING BOX OF CEREALS, WITH YOUR FACE ON IT?!
Stop calling the villain, "Military Uniform Princess". Call her ANYTHING, as long as the word "Nazi" is in the name. The creators of this are Japanese, who are from a country that's recent fought with Germany. We know the girl looks like a Nazi, the studio knows, just call her a fucking Nazi. I'm begging you.
Fuck it. I've been WAY too nice to this series. Dropped. If I want to see an anime where story characters beat the shit out of each other, I'll just rewatch Fate/Zero for the 3rd time.

I agreed with everything you said up until the Nazi part. That was just false. The Japanese were part of the Axis forces in World War II, they were on the same side as Germany, and the character has no similarity to a Nazi whatsoever besides wearing a military uniform whose design is absolutely NOT that of the Nazis.

I don't care. It looks like a Nazi uniform from my perspective, therefore it's a fucking Nazi uniform.
I warned that this was gonna be a pretentious rant.
I'm just saying.

If I said Auschwitz looks like a private school, therefore it's a private school, that's absolutely wrong and I'd be ignoring the point that 1.1 million Jews were killed there during the Holocaust. Black is not white, and complaining about something which is just blatantly false is just ignorant.

Apr 29, 2017 7:45 PM

#62

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A lot of people complaining about it not having any action. I guess they want this to be bad LOL

Apr 29, 2017 7:53 PM

#63

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I usually have no problem with info-dump and expositions but this episode ... boi.
That was a boring one at that.
Interesting, sure, but still boring and way too long.

Apr 29, 2017 8:07 PM

#64

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You really can't please people these days.

When their is not enough World building their is complaining.
When their is not enough World building their is complaining
When their is to much Action their is complaining.
When their is not much Action their is complaining.

I swear, their are more spoiled brats here than in a candy shop.

Alright maybe their have been a little to much world building but it is still a necessary plot point.

Beside 2 episodes focusing on world building is not much to complain about. Just better let this out in the beginning so we can focus more on the action and story progression later.

In Total we have
1 Light Novel ( Selesia Yupitiria)

1 Game (Meteora Österreich)

3 Anime (Mamika Kirameki, Rui Kanoya, Magane Chikujōin)

3 Manga ( Alicetelia February, Yūya Mirokuji, Blitz Tokar )

1 Unknown ( Military Uniform Princess)

Quite an interesting variety of choices i would say.

I am confident this series will still be good. People are judging it a bit to early. Just give it more time.

Apr 29, 2017 8:09 PM

#65

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AnimeFanboy1234 said:

Why does it matter if it, "makes sense within context" if it's fucking boring? Of course it makes sense to see a slice of life character sleep for 6 hours straight. Does that mean anyone wants to see it? Hell no!
You can make your story believable within context WHILE constructing it in a way that won't bore your audience to death.
If your audience, in this case any individual, wants to strangle themselves when watching your anime, well then you failed at entertaining them.

I'd rather have characters actually talk about what and why they do what they do, rather than non-stop fighting for fightings sake.

I personally enjoyed the episode a lot.

We had a bit of quasi-religious, existential theme with Meotora and her having to figure out for herself what her Creator meant to her and what her world meant to him, which was more satisfying than having it told to her.

We get an idea of the antagonist's plot, and characterization of some of the characters in MUP's side and why they're doing what they're doing.

I think they're progressing at a good pace so far.

Apr 29, 2017 8:22 PM

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Honestly the info dumps could be better spaced out considering the number of episodes the series has, but it would be kinda weird if they kept clashing so often so I suppose this amount of down time is ok. All things considered I don't particularly like how on point meteora is general, I'd prefer if she was close but not quite. She's pretty dead on here with her theories but it's too unbelievable.

I also don't really like that the MC is back so easily, I was hoping there was something that would pull him back into the group since he doesn't fit the group dynamic at all. Making him a sort of guide/teacher would have made him fit a lot better, but we can see that meteora and co can act independently without much need for a guide so he is still pretty useless.

Things I did like were that they are continuing the theme of character personalities/experiences influencing their decision making. Such as meteora not agreeing to anything until she had time to think it through, Alice willing to do anything to save her world etc etc. I'd imagine who they initially meet has a lot to do with how they opinions are shaped as well.

This leads me to hope that Gunpei will eventually start reading the actual material and being more selective on who she tries to bring over. That would add an tactical element to fit her military style character and would be a lot more interesting in general especially considering the way she is currently doing things isn't really helping her own cause. I mean right now she's 4/8 in terms of convincing the creations (herself included), which is a terrible success rate since the 4 she couldn't convince may be potential enemies. There's a few other things I wanted to mention but I can't really care to type it out so meh.

GD1551Apr 29, 2017 8:34 PM

Apr 29, 2017 8:24 PM

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thebrentinator24 said:
Seeing how pissed off Alicetaria was about the type of world her creator made got me thinking about how pissed off the characters from, lets say, Attack on Titan would be if they could meet Hajime Isayama in real life. Or maybe Sasuke, I'm sure he'd have a thing or two to say to Kishimoto about killing off his entire clan.

Anyway, pretty interesting episode with a lot of information again. It was nice to see Meteora being appreciative of the world her creator made and how that kind of strengthened her resolve.

Ya...it's a interesting point. Meteora who's someone who guides the hero in her story & world, as well as the heroes in non-tragic stories & their friends & helpers could most likely accept their worlds as they are. But what about all the tragic heroes & popular characters of dark stories? Like, it's not hard to see why someone like Alicia(I'll just call her that) who's part of what seems to be a serious story involving war & all that wouldn't accept it ~ since people have been associating her with Saber here & there I'd imagine she'd have the same attitude if towards her creator, or the characters of AoT as u mentioned. The most they could do to bring them towards acceptance is reading/viewing/playing their own story and appreciating it just that much. But that all goes out the window when they know what they have to go through for it.

Apr 29, 2017 8:36 PM

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GangsterCat said:
holy mother of god the infodumps dialogues are cringy god awful trying too hard to be cool

Holy mother of God why the hell are you still here?
Just drop this series for goodness sake

Apr 29, 2017 9:39 PM

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Strident said:

AnimeFanboy1234 said:

Strident said:

AnimeFanboy1234 said:
Warning: Pretentious rant incoming

10...damn...minutes...of characters...talking in a room...giving out obvious dragged out exposition...a speech about hope or some shit that we never SEE...
And then ANOTHER 10 minutes...of characters talking about...things we already know...
Of course we know that the characters have been, "translated" or some shit when entering the real world, and that their physics-defying powers may cause destruction of some sort. You don't need to spend more than 5 minutes telling us this!
Even in Fate/Zero where we are actually given little direct info about the servants, those small bits of info were shown and elaborated. You could actually FEEL, that they are HEROIC SPIRITS.
In Re: Creators, what is there to enforce that these characters, are from stories? That they have magical outfits and powers? That's every fantasy anime ever. That they, "talk about coming from another world"? WHAT ARE THOSE WORLDS?! GIVE CONTEXT!
When Saber talked about her ideals of what it meant to be king, you would just go, "Fuck yeah, now THAT is a heroic spirit right there!"
In Re: Creators, when white-haired girl talks about having a, "wonderful world", you go, "Wait, what? What world? What's your world like?"
When white-haired girl began to write something as obvious as, "trace" with fucking letter cookies, I could not stop laughing. At this point it shows that the studio has stopped giving a damn. You know what, at least make it full-blown ridiculous with dramatic music like the potato chip scene from Death Note.
What is the point of a voice over montage when the characters doing the voice over are doing the montage? In other words, why not just have the characters eat pizza AND talk at the SAME TIME, aside from not having to anime both, spending time, effort, and resources?
"I bought this box of cerial with my face on it, cause I liked it!"
NO SHIT! WHAT OTHER REASON IS THERE FOR YOU TO BUY A F*CKING BOX OF CEREALS, WITH YOUR FACE ON IT?!
Stop calling the villain, "Military Uniform Princess". Call her ANYTHING, as long as the word "Nazi" is in the name. The creators of this are Japanese, who are from a country that's recent fought with Germany. We know the girl looks like a Nazi, the studio knows, just call her a fucking Nazi. I'm begging you.
Fuck it. I've been WAY too nice to this series. Dropped. If I want to see an anime where story characters beat the shit out of each other, I'll just rewatch Fate/Zero for the 3rd time.

I agreed with everything you said up until the Nazi part. That was just false. The Japanese were part of the Axis forces in World War II, they were on the same side as Germany, and the character has no similarity to a Nazi whatsoever besides wearing a military uniform whose design is absolutely NOT that of the Nazis.

I don't care. It looks like a Nazi uniform from my perspective, therefore it's a fucking Nazi uniform.
I warned that this was gonna be a pretentious rant.
I'm just saying.

If I said Auschwitz looks like a private school, therefore it's a private school, that's absolutely wrong and I'd be ignoring the point that 1.1 million Jews were killed there during the Holocaust. Black is not white, and complaining about something which is just blatantly false is just ignorant.

...I was complaining...
...About a character...
...Not being called a Nazi...
...How...
...Is it possible...
...That you do do not notice such an obvious joke?
Yep. You're making fun of me.
Anything else to say on the ep?

Apr 29, 2017 9:45 PM

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-ShadowClaw- said:
You really can't please people these days.

When their is not enough World building their is complaining.
When their is not enough World building their is complaining
When their is to much Action their is complaining.
When their is not much Action their is complaining.

I swear, their are more spoiled brats here than in a candy shop.

Alright maybe their have been a little to much world building but it is still a necessary plot point.

Beside 2 episodes focusing on world building is not much to complain about. Just better let this out in the beginning so we can focus more on the action and story progression later.

In Total we have
1 Light Novel ( Selesia Yupitiria)

1 Game (Meteora Österreich)

3 Anime (Mamika Kirameki, Rui Kanoya, Magane Chikujōin)

3 Manga ( Alicetelia February, Yūya Mirokuji, Blitz Tokar )

1 Unknown ( Military Uniform Princess)

Quite an interesting variety of choices i would say.

I am confident this series will still be good. People are judging it a bit to early. Just give it more time.

Has it crossed your mind that people want something called, "balance"?
Countless series like Fate/Zero can balance all those things together. Even the infamous first ep embodies many of the things beloved of the series:
-Character motivation
-Fascinating dialogue
-Interesting characters
-Interesting world-building

The only thing Re: Creators had going for it from the start was cool action, which barely appears anymore. Why would it have a consistent presence later on then?
"Just give it more time"
Why would I like an anime LATER, when it bores me to death from early on? Many good/bad elements of anime appear quite early on and till the end: long-ass boring scenes of characters just talking, characters' backstories being SLIGHTLY mentioned but not elaborated = not actually being revealed.
"I am confident this series will *still* be good."
Why wouldn't a good anime be good early on? A shaky start, sure, maybe a little, "eh", but this anime borderline makes me want to kill myself, if the rant I posted did not make it clear. I have NEVER watched an anime that started off genuinely bad, but I actually liked by the end. The chances of that happening are 1 out of 10.

Apr 29, 2017 9:47 PM

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I wonder how they will react when they find out it's an anime with an anime...probably suicide.

Apr 29, 2017 9:48 PM

#72

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Lelouch0202 said:
A pretty informative episode I suppose.

So we basically might be heading towards something like a Doomsday plot due the very contradiction of the fact that beings who are not supposed to exist in fact exist. If that law were true, every Isekai anime out there should not exist. xD

My favorite part of the episode was when Meteora said she respected her creator for creating such a great world. It was really nice to see her appreciating him. :)
Too bad the guy died in an accident.

Seems the military princess really does want to destroy the world, no info on the mystery from the ending of last episode though.

The soundtrack in this series is pretty good.

This episode was pretty good. Further, keep in mind that Meteora may be incorrect about the end of the world. We don't yet know what form these cracks will take. OTOH, it's pretty clear that the next fight is all but set up; we have Gunpuku no Himegimi's camp of aggressors who wish to shape the world to their own ends or destroy it entirely (Himegimi, Aliceteria, Blitz, Mamika), the camp that wishes to preserve the world and that has come to terms with their own existence (Meteora, Celesia, Yuuya, Rui) and then we have the wildcards who could belong in both or neither; Magane and Yuuya.

What's increasingly notable about the characters who form Himegimi's camp are how bound they are by the logic of their worlds. Himegimi wants nothing but revenge, and is willing to do anything and use anyone to achieve it; Aliceteria has been swallowed by her role in the narrative, and Mamika is almost narcissistic, viewing the world as black and white--those who side with her and those who don't. That being said, she isn't particularly malicious. Blitz Tokar seems to be an unknown at this point, but it's clear that he's not exactly the friendliest of people.

Apr 29, 2017 10:01 PM

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forexjammer said:

GangsterCat said:
holy mother of god the infodumps dialogues are cringy god awful trying too hard to be cool

Holy mother of God why the hell are you still here?
Just drop this series for goodness sake

What he said. It defies logic that you would continue to watch a show if you don't like it. If you're going to complain this much, at least wait until the first season is over.

AnimeFanboy1234 said:

-ShadowClaw- said:
You really can't please people these days.

When their is not enough World building their is complaining.
When their is not enough World building their is complaining
When their is to much Action their is complaining.
When their is not much Action their is complaining.

I swear, their are more spoiled brats here than in a candy shop.

Alright maybe their have been a little to much world building but it is still a necessary plot point.

Beside 2 episodes focusing on world building is not much to complain about. Just better let this out in the beginning so we can focus more on the action and story progression later.

In Total we have
1 Light Novel ( Selesia Yupitiria)

1 Game (Meteora Österreich)

3 Anime (Mamika Kirameki, Rui Kanoya, Magane Chikujōin)

3 Manga ( Alicetelia February, Yūya Mirokuji, Blitz Tokar )

1 Unknown ( Military Uniform Princess)

Quite an interesting variety of choices i would say.

I am confident this series will still be good. People are judging it a bit to early. Just give it more time.

Has it crossed your mind that people want something called, "balance"?
Countless series like Fate/Zero can balance all those things together. Even the infamous first ep embodies many of the things beloved of the series:
-Character motivation
-Fascinating dialogue
-Interesting characters
-Interesting world-building

The only thing Re: Creators had going for it from the start was cool action, which barely appears anymore. Why would it have a consistent presence later on then?
"Just give it more time"
Why would I like an anime LATER, when it bores me to death from early on? Many good/bad elements of anime appear quite early on and till the end: long-ass boring scenes of characters just talking, characters' backstories being SLIGHTLY mentioned but not elaborated = not actually being revealed.
"I am confident this series will *still* be good."
Why wouldn't a good anime be good early on? A shaky start, sure, maybe a little, "eh", but this anime borderline makes me want to kill myself, if the rant I posted did not make it clear. I have NEVER watched an anime that started off genuinely bad, but I actually liked by the end. The chances of that happening are 1 out of 10.

Worthwhile to note that Fate/Zero is a poor example as it a) had arguably the best studio working on it and b) had a massive amount of lore to give it context. The characters, narrative and lore were already well developed for the Fate series.

AnimeFanboy1234 said:

Strident said:

AnimeFanboy1234 said:

Strident said:

AnimeFanboy1234 said:
Warning: Pretentious rant incoming

10...damn...minutes...of characters...talking in a room...giving out obvious dragged out exposition...a speech about hope or some shit that we never SEE...
And then ANOTHER 10 minutes...of characters talking about...things we already know...
Of course we know that the characters have been, "translated" or some shit when entering the real world, and that their physics-defying powers may cause destruction of some sort. You don't need to spend more than 5 minutes telling us this!
Even in Fate/Zero where we are actually given little direct info about the servants, those small bits of info were shown and elaborated. You could actually FEEL, that they are HEROIC SPIRITS.
In Re: Creators, what is there to enforce that these characters, are from stories? That they have magical outfits and powers? That's every fantasy anime ever. That they, "talk about coming from another world"? WHAT ARE THOSE WORLDS?! GIVE CONTEXT!
When Saber talked about her ideals of what it meant to be king, you would just go, "Fuck yeah, now THAT is a heroic spirit right there!"
In Re: Creators, when white-haired girl talks about having a, "wonderful world", you go, "Wait, what? What world? What's your world like?"
When white-haired girl began to write something as obvious as, "trace" with fucking letter cookies, I could not stop laughing. At this point it shows that the studio has stopped giving a damn. You know what, at least make it full-blown ridiculous with dramatic music like the potato chip scene from Death Note.
What is the point of a voice over montage when the characters doing the voice over are doing the montage? In other words, why not just have the characters eat pizza AND talk at the SAME TIME, aside from not having to anime both, spending time, effort, and resources?
"I bought this box of cerial with my face on it, cause I liked it!"
NO SHIT! WHAT OTHER REASON IS THERE FOR YOU TO BUY A F*CKING BOX OF CEREALS, WITH YOUR FACE ON IT?!
Stop calling the villain, "Military Uniform Princess". Call her ANYTHING, as long as the word "Nazi" is in the name. The creators of this are Japanese, who are from a country that's recent fought with Germany. We know the girl looks like a Nazi, the studio knows, just call her a fucking Nazi. I'm begging you.
Fuck it. I've been WAY too nice to this series. Dropped. If I want to see an anime where story characters beat the shit out of each other, I'll just rewatch Fate/Zero for the 3rd time.

I agreed with everything you said up until the Nazi part. That was just false. The Japanese were part of the Axis forces in World War II, they were on the same side as Germany, and the character has no similarity to a Nazi whatsoever besides wearing a military uniform whose design is absolutely NOT that of the Nazis.

I don't care. It looks like a Nazi uniform from my perspective, therefore it's a fucking Nazi uniform.
I warned that this was gonna be a pretentious rant.
I'm just saying.

If I said Auschwitz looks like a private school, therefore it's a private school, that's absolutely wrong and I'd be ignoring the point that 1.1 million Jews were killed there during the Holocaust. Black is not white, and complaining about something which is just blatantly false is just ignorant.

...I was complaining...
...About a character...
...Not being called a Nazi...
...How...
...Is it possible...
...That you do do not notice such an obvious joke?
Yep. You're making fun of me.
Anything else to say on the ep?

Both of you, cool your jets. This is not time for a venture down the rabbit hole of Godwin's Law.

GD1551 said:
Honestly the info dumps could be better spaced out considering the number of episodes the series has, but it would be kinda weird if they kept clashing so often so I suppose this amount of down time is ok. All things considered I don't particularly like how on point meteora is general, I'd prefer if she was close but not quite. She's pretty dead on here with her theories but it's too unbelievable.

I also don't really like that the MC is back so easily, I was hoping there was something that would pull him back into the group since he doesn't fit the group dynamic at all. Making him a sort of guide/teacher would have made him fit a lot better, but we can see that meteora and co can act independently without much need for a guide so he is still pretty useless.

Things I did like were that they are continuing the theme of character personalities/experiences influencing their decision making. Such as meteora not agreeing to anything until she had time to think it through, Alice willing to do anything to save her world etc etc. I'd imagine who they initially meet has a lot to do with how they opinions are shaped as well.

This leads me to hope that Gunpei will eventually start reading the actual material and being more selective on who she tries to bring over. That would add an tactical element to fit her military style character and would be a lot more interesting in general especially considering the way she is currently doing things isn't really helping her own cause. I mean right now she's 4/8 in terms of convincing the creations (herself included), which is a terrible success rate since the 4 she couldn't convince may be potential enemies. There's a few other things I wanted to mention but I can't really care to type it out so meh.

Agreed, though Gunpuku no Himegimi likely already has read the source material. That much is clear from how she addressed Celesia in the first episode.

My take is that Himegimi will increasingly try to create "cracks" in the world by publicly forcing clashes between her team and Celesia's group; the more outlandish the better as the world is forced to change in order to accommodate them. In addition to that, she will likely have her group openly disrupt public order and attack institutions of authority such as the police or military in order to cement her own power to better enter the public consciousness. Her objective may not be to destroy the world, but to reverse the relationship of the creators and the created. Whether or not she realizes how much damage it might do is up in the air at this point.

Apr 29, 2017 10:13 PM

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forexjammer said:

GangsterCat said:
holy mother of god the infodumps dialogues are cringy god awful trying too hard to be cool

Holy mother of God why the hell are you still here?
Just drop this series for goodness sake

What he said. It defies logic that you would continue to watch a show if you don't like it. If you're going to complain this much, at least wait until the first season is over.

AnimeFanboy1234 said:

-ShadowClaw- said:
You really can't please people these days.

When their is not enough World building their is complaining.
When their is not enough World building their is complaining
When their is to much Action their is complaining.
When their is not much Action their is complaining.

I swear, their are more spoiled brats here than in a candy shop.

Alright maybe their have been a little to much world building but it is still a necessary plot point.

Beside 2 episodes focusing on world building is not much to complain about. Just better let this out in the beginning so we can focus more on the action and story progression later.

In Total we have
1 Light Novel ( Selesia Yupitiria)

1 Game (Meteora Österreich)

3 Anime (Mamika Kirameki, Rui Kanoya, Magane Chikujōin)

3 Manga ( Alicetelia February, Yūya Mirokuji, Blitz Tokar )

1 Unknown ( Military Uniform Princess)

Quite an interesting variety of choices i would say.

I am confident this series will still be good. People are judging it a bit to early. Just give it more time.

Has it crossed your mind that people want something called, "balance"?
Countless series like Fate/Zero can balance all those things together. Even the infamous first ep embodies many of the things beloved of the series:
-Character motivation
-Fascinating dialogue
-Interesting characters
-Interesting world-building

The only thing Re: Creators had going for it from the start was cool action, which barely appears anymore. Why would it have a consistent presence later on then?
"Just give it more time"
Why would I like an anime LATER, when it bores me to death from early on? Many good/bad elements of anime appear quite early on and till the end: long-ass boring scenes of characters just talking, characters' backstories being SLIGHTLY mentioned but not elaborated = not actually being revealed.
"I am confident this series will *still* be good."
Why wouldn't a good anime be good early on? A shaky start, sure, maybe a little, "eh", but this anime borderline makes me want to kill myself, if the rant I posted did not make it clear. I have NEVER watched an anime that started off genuinely bad, but I actually liked by the end. The chances of that happening are 1 out of 10.

Worthwhile to note that Fate/Zero is a poor example as it a) had arguably the best studio working on it and b) had a massive amount of lore to give it context. The characters, narrative and lore were already well developed for the Fate series.

I was talking about Fate/Zero as a stand-alone, about how even though you were given little context of the characters, you had a great grasp of WHO they were, and how they thematically lined up.
In Re: Creators, what do the "characters" have in common, besides being JRPG characters, to make them thematically line up?

Apr 29, 2017 10:18 PM

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Y'know, I am enjoying Re:Creators for the most part so far.

But I think people are starting to have a point that these long-winded infodumps are really starting to do a number on the show's pacing, especially since this is also supposed to be an anime-original action series that's also 2-cours long.

Hopefully this isn't just an omen for things to come (if Episodes 3 and 4 are any indication), and it's more just of an awkward bump in the road right after that pretty explosive start the show had with the first two episodes, and soon we'll be getting more action and actual plot progression to look forward to.

Apr 29, 2017 10:37 PM

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Okay. For a huge info dump episode, I grew to love and want to hug Meteroa (I try to remember saying and typing her name right) so bad. Being a foodie is a bonus while still talking like if she's in a military office.

One thing that made me feel fluffy is that I don't hate Mamika. She's just stuck in a weird situation (and maybe trauma after attempting to fight against Celestia) and at-the-moment I think "Alice" needs a little sister partner to comfort with. Mamika being all PreCure positive (still) made me feel fluffy, and kind of want to see both Alice and Mamika together. Also, I had a smile on the inside when Mamika shows off her Magical Slayer edible goods (and try to feed Alice).

I can't wait to see Rui... And his giant vehicle. :V But if this is going to be a clash of clans of sorts, I think Celestia and others are going to be safe. Also Rui is to adorable. Affff.....

"Everyone go love Cyan!"

Apr 29, 2017 11:00 PM

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The concept is so cool for this anime but I'm still waiting for them to expand on the ideas and clarify the story. The characters are all so lovable and we get to see new ones every episode! I can't wait to see this anime reach or even exceed it very high potential!

I shall rule over the realms of anime and manga! Mwahhahahahaha!!!

Apr 29, 2017 11:32 PM

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I wonder if i could even trust Meteora's "theory". But hey, they wouldn't have made too much explanation this far if this is all just a "theory" afterall..But still.. Hmm.. World destruction ehhh~~ ..I guess it's too soon to judge! I'm not gonna lie that it has been pretty bland lately though.. Somehow i dont feel the impact yet of this series besides the OST. lol~

Apr 29, 2017 11:46 PM

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theories theories theories

not that it's bad but...
well I can only wait for when the main plot advances and see if these minutes wasted on university class-esque lecture will be useful in the end.

International Saimoe League

Apr 30, 2017 12:11 AM

#80

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As much as I enjoy this show, these pointless exposition has got to stop. That don't add anything and are mostly just speculation, these times could of been spent properly fleshing out the characters or anything else that would be meaningful.

Apr 30, 2017 12:15 AM

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[quote=AnimeFanboy1234 message=50541083]

firemagnet said:

forexjammer said:

Holy mother of God why the hell are you still here?
Just drop this series for goodness sake

What he said. It defies logic that you would continue to watch a show if you don't like it. If you're going to complain this much, at least wait until the first season is over.

AnimeFanboy1234 said:

Has it crossed your mind that people want something called, "balance"?
Countless series like Fate/Zero can balance all those things together. Even the infamous first ep embodies many of the things beloved of the series:
-Character motivation
-Fascinating dialogue
-Interesting characters
-Interesting world-building

The only thing Re: Creators had going for it from the start was cool action, which barely appears anymore. Why would it have a consistent presence later on then?
"Just give it more time"
Why would I like an anime LATER, when it bores me to death from early on? Many good/bad elements of anime appear quite early on and till the end: long-ass boring scenes of characters just talking, characters' backstories being SLIGHTLY mentioned but not elaborated = not actually being revealed.
"I am confident this series will *still* be good."
Why wouldn't a good anime be good early on? A shaky start, sure, maybe a little, "eh", but this anime borderline makes me want to kill myself, if the rant I posted did not make it clear. I have NEVER watched an anime that started off genuinely bad, but I actually liked by the end. The chances of that happening are 1 out of 10.

Worthwhile to note that Fate/Zero is a poor example as it a) had arguably the best studio working on it and b) had a massive amount of lore to give it context. The characters, narrative and lore were already well developed for the Fate series.

I was talking about Fate/Zero as a stand-alone, about how even though you were given little context of the characters, you had a great grasp of WHO they were, and how they thematically lined up.
In Re: Creators, what do the "characters" have in common, besides being JRPG characters, to make them thematically line up?

I agree with Shadowclaw that it appears most people in this discussion are looking at extremes and not midpoints. (given, the people who aren't complaining about the show are hopeful/patient to see where it goes)

Fate/Zero is a bad comparison to make to this show. Your argument of knowing "Who" the characters are requires knowing the stories behind them. Fate/Zero touches on this for some characters (Saber, Berserker, etc) and not very well on others (Caster, and Assassin)

Fate/Zero only has to do so much to make the historical figures they picked work in their stories because you can find everyone's morals and backgrounds on each of their respective wikipedia pages. (For example, Caster's personality makes little sense, his obsession and backstory you cant really connect the reasoning and personality "dots" unless you actually look up Gilles de Rais and know who he is)

In Re:Creators, none of their character's bio's or their history can be seen because they aren't directly based off of historical figures, they're based of created characters in the world of Re:Creators and thus i would argue that requires the monologue detailing where everyone stands in the situations of uncertainity.

Should the studio spend the time on something else other than monologue? that can be debated until the end of time.

I'm not saying pick the show back up. But Fate/Zero (standalone) appeals to different people for different reasons, and the same goes for Re:Creators since they are just both mediums of entertainment.

klaki892Apr 30, 2017 12:19 AM

Apr 30, 2017 12:49 AM

#82

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AnimeFanboy1234 said:

firemagnet said:

What he said. It defies logic that you would continue to watch a show if you don't like it. If you're going to complain this much, at least wait until the first season is over.

AnimeFanboy1234 said:

-ShadowClaw- said:
You really can't please people these days.

When their is not enough World building their is complaining.
When their is not enough World building their is complaining
When their is to much Action their is complaining.
When their is not much Action their is complaining.

I swear, their are more spoiled brats here than in a candy shop.

Alright maybe their have been a little to much world building but it is still a necessary plot point.

Beside 2 episodes focusing on world building is not much to complain about. Just better let this out in the beginning so we can focus more on the action and story progression later.

In Total we have
1 Light Novel ( Selesia Yupitiria)

1 Game (Meteora Österreich)

3 Anime (Mamika Kirameki, Rui Kanoya, Magane Chikujōin)

3 Manga ( Alicetelia February, Yūya Mirokuji, Blitz Tokar )

1 Unknown ( Military Uniform Princess)

Quite an interesting variety of choices i would say.

I am confident this series will still be good. People are judging it a bit to early. Just give it more time.

Has it crossed your mind that people want something called, "balance"?
Countless series like Fate/Zero can balance all those things together. Even the infamous first ep embodies many of the things beloved of the series:
-Character motivation
-Fascinating dialogue
-Interesting characters
-Interesting world-building

The only thing Re: Creators had going for it from the start was cool action, which barely appears anymore. Why would it have a consistent presence later on then?
"Just give it more time"
Why would I like an anime LATER, when it bores me to death from early on? Many good/bad elements of anime appear quite early on and till the end: long-ass boring scenes of characters just talking, characters' backstories being SLIGHTLY mentioned but not elaborated = not actually being revealed.
"I am confident this series will *still* be good."
Why wouldn't a good anime be good early on? A shaky start, sure, maybe a little, "eh", but this anime borderline makes me want to kill myself, if the rant I posted did not make it clear. I have NEVER watched an anime that started off genuinely bad, but I actually liked by the end. The chances of that happening are 1 out of 10.

Worthwhile to note that Fate/Zero is a poor example as it a) had arguably the best studio working on it and b) had a massive amount of lore to give it context. The characters, narrative and lore were already well developed for the Fate series.

I was talking about Fate/Zero as a stand-alone, about how even though you were given little context of the characters, you had a great grasp of WHO they were, and how they thematically lined up.
In Re: Creators, what do the "characters" have in common, besides being JRPG characters, to make them thematically line up?

I agree with Shadowclaw that it appears most people in this discussion are looking at extremes and not midpoints. (given, the people who aren't complaining about the show are hopeful/patient to see where it goes)

Fate/Zero is a bad comparison to make to this show. Your argument of knowing "Who" the characters are requires knowing the stories behind them. Fate/Zero touches on this for some characters (Saber, Berserker, etc) and not very well on others (Caster, and Assassin)

Fate/Zero only has to do so much to make the historical figures they picked work in their stories because you can find everyone's morals and backgrounds on each of their respective wikipedia pages. (For example, Caster's personality makes little sense, his obsession and backstory you cant really connect the reasoning and personality "dots" unless you actually look up Gilles de Rais and know who he is)

In Re:Creators, none of their character's bio's or their history can be seen because they aren't directly based off of historical figures, they're based of created characters in the world of Re:Creators and thus i would argue that requires the monologue detailing where everyone stands in the situations of uncertainity.

Should the studio spend the time on something else other than monologue? that can be debated until the end of time.

I'm not saying pick the show back up. But Fate/Zero (standalone) appeals to different people for different reasons, and the same goes for Re:Creators since they are just both mediums of entertainment.

Good, informative post, and FWIW I agree entirely. I cannot comprehend why so many people are at the extremes when this show has done a "relatively" good job of fleshing itself out thus far. Indeed, I see people crying for more action. Well, look where that got Aldnoah Zero; a poorly explained universe that turned into a villain-of-the-week show where the plot hinged on one character almost explicitly and the logic was simply full of holes (quantum replication, anyone?)

Better that the series takes the time to explain itself and give meaning to its battles than the weekly "Inaho saves the world (again)."

As I pointed out earlier, with the exception of Magane, all of the characters have been introduced or established, and the logic has been established for the next round of action; Meteora and Co. must now find Himegimi's creator (or what's left of her), while Himegimi and her posse must draw out Meteora and the others into battle to undermine the foundations of the world.

Apr 30, 2017 1:40 AM

#83

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Strident said:

AnimeFanboy1234 said:

Strident said:

AnimeFanboy1234 said:
Warning: Pretentious rant incoming

10...damn...minutes...of characters...talking in a room...giving out obvious dragged out exposition...a speech about hope or some shit that we never SEE...
And then ANOTHER 10 minutes...of characters talking about...things we already know...
Of course we know that the characters have been, "translated" or some shit when entering the real world, and that their physics-defying powers may cause destruction of some sort. You don't need to spend more than 5 minutes telling us this!
Even in Fate/Zero where we are actually given little direct info about the servants, those small bits of info were shown and elaborated. You could actually FEEL, that they are HEROIC SPIRITS.
In Re: Creators, what is there to enforce that these characters, are from stories? That they have magical outfits and powers? That's every fantasy anime ever. That they, "talk about coming from another world"? WHAT ARE THOSE WORLDS?! GIVE CONTEXT!
When Saber talked about her ideals of what it meant to be king, you would just go, "Fuck yeah, now THAT is a heroic spirit right there!"
In Re: Creators, when white-haired girl talks about having a, "wonderful world", you go, "Wait, what? What world? What's your world like?"
When white-haired girl began to write something as obvious as, "trace" with fucking letter cookies, I could not stop laughing. At this point it shows that the studio has stopped giving a damn. You know what, at least make it full-blown ridiculous with dramatic music like the potato chip scene from Death Note.
What is the point of a voice over montage when the characters doing the voice over are doing the montage? In other words, why not just have the characters eat pizza AND talk at the SAME TIME, aside from not having to anime both, spending time, effort, and resources?
"I bought this box of cerial with my face on it, cause I liked it!"
NO SHIT! WHAT OTHER REASON IS THERE FOR YOU TO BUY A F*CKING BOX OF CEREALS, WITH YOUR FACE ON IT?!
Stop calling the villain, "Military Uniform Princess". Call her ANYTHING, as long as the word "Nazi" is in the name. The creators of this are Japanese, who are from a country that's recent fought with Germany. We know the girl looks like a Nazi, the studio knows, just call her a fucking Nazi. I'm begging you.
Fuck it. I've been WAY too nice to this series. Dropped. If I want to see an anime where story characters beat the shit out of each other, I'll just rewatch Fate/Zero for the 3rd time.

I agreed with everything you said up until the Nazi part. That was just false. The Japanese were part of the Axis forces in World War II, they were on the same side as Germany, and the character has no similarity to a Nazi whatsoever besides wearing a military uniform whose design is absolutely NOT that of the Nazis.

I don't care. It looks like a Nazi uniform from my perspective, therefore it's a fucking Nazi uniform.
I warned that this was gonna be a pretentious rant.
I'm just saying.

If I said Auschwitz looks like a private school, therefore it's a private school, that's absolutely wrong and I'd be ignoring the point that 1.1 million Jews were killed there during the Holocaust. Black is not white, and complaining about something which is just blatantly false is just ignorant.

You are right, it was better than a private school. Pools, dentists, private orchestra, greenhouse, own soccer team, library, even own currency and all kinds of entertainment facilities. Wait, weren't they 6 mil.. gorillion? x) I'd be more concerned about the millions of native europeans that died in the war, bringing out the jews as more important is disrespectful to the german people that died for their countries.
That's some really sophisticated mind jumps going from anime character design to the holohoax, holy mother of triggers lmao.

Apr 30, 2017 2:03 AM

#84

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The theory of Souta being Himegime's creator is a false one. Himegime was forced into reality by unknown meachanisms when the girl Souta knew jumped towards the train. See opening sequence, the part where Himegime is slumbering along the virtual skulls. Souta was one of the triggers to her creation, but not a direct creator, if anything.

Re:formed

Apr 30, 2017 3:23 AM

#85

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And here I think I'm the only one who liked this episode, Meteora's theory does actually makes sense. I expect more infodumps will next episode with the appearance of the mecha guy and I'm looking forward to it. I regret reading that rant I wasted 1 minute of my precious time for some total crap.

Apr 30, 2017 3:49 AM

#86

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1st half was very boring (thought this would be the worst episode so far).
2nd half was better. Liked the chemistry between the knight/princess girl and the magical girl.

Also the guy that looks a bit like Sylvester Asimov - a Russian from Terra Formars - got shown. (And she called him drunk ... maybe he is a Russian as well and they wanted to joke about Vodka.)

New char and creator at the end ... seems like they could be some nice/interesting persons. Is that new creator in the opening and had he been mentioned on the website before? (He seems at the bottom of the car list as if they had added him later on the official website.) When they said Meteors creator died I thought there wouldn't be any other creators shown - since I did not remember seeing any other guys on the website that looked like they could be a creator.

I like that we have different factions: Group with Sota, group with the military uniform girl. Some people acting without group (the guy from end episode 2/beginning episode 3). And military uniform girl seems to have her own goals (not sharing all her info or plans with the other chars around her).

Maybe she killed Meteoras creator - since Meteora seems the most intelligent/analyzing of the other chars and could pose the biggest threat to her plans. So she does not want her to get "boosted" by changing some char description.

Apr 30, 2017 3:52 AM

#87

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Interesting info dump episode. For some reason I'm liking Meteora more and more.

Apr 30, 2017 4:42 AM

#88

-HippySnob-

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Having knowing the truth of Meteora's Creator. That really is Bad News good thing, She can blend in our society and observe for the sake of her own image.

Finishing the game only per one night! I could do that to!. I'd better turn on my all nighter this day without a chance of sleep xD

Himegimi is still looking good as usual, Her true Goal are very quite unknown due to her revolution about her own creator

-HippySnob-Apr 30, 2017 4:55 AM

"Think about that glowing dust
That destroys the night sky's dream of
Just being nothing"--

--

Apr 30, 2017 4:52 AM

#89

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Aquamirror said:

Strident said:

AnimeFanboy1234 said:

Strident said:

AnimeFanboy1234 said:
Warning: Pretentious rant incoming

10...damn...minutes...of characters...talking in a room...giving out obvious dragged out exposition...a speech about hope or some shit that we never SEE...
And then ANOTHER 10 minutes...of characters talking about...things we already know...
Of course we know that the characters have been, "translated" or some shit when entering the real world, and that their physics-defying powers may cause destruction of some sort. You don't need to spend more than 5 minutes telling us this!
Even in Fate/Zero where we are actually given little direct info about the servants, those small bits of info were shown and elaborated. You could actually FEEL, that they are HEROIC SPIRITS.
In Re: Creators, what is there to enforce that these characters, are from stories? That they have magical outfits and powers? That's every fantasy anime ever. That they, "talk about coming from another world"? WHAT ARE THOSE WORLDS?! GIVE CONTEXT!
When Saber talked about her ideals of what it meant to be king, you would just go, "Fuck yeah, now THAT is a heroic spirit right there!"
In Re: Creators, when white-haired girl talks about having a, "wonderful world", you go, "Wait, what? What world? What's your world like?"
When white-haired girl began to write something as obvious as, "trace" with fucking letter cookies, I could not stop laughing. At this point it shows that the studio has stopped giving a damn. You know what, at least make it full-blown ridiculous with dramatic music like the potato chip scene from Death Note.
What is the point of a voice over montage when the characters doing the voice over are doing the montage? In other words, why not just have the characters eat pizza AND talk at the SAME TIME, aside from not having to anime both, spending time, effort, and resources?
"I bought this box of cerial with my face on it, cause I liked it!"
NO SHIT! WHAT OTHER REASON IS THERE FOR YOU TO BUY A F*CKING BOX OF CEREALS, WITH YOUR FACE ON IT?!
Stop calling the villain, "Military Uniform Princess". Call her ANYTHING, as long as the word "Nazi" is in the name. The creators of this are Japanese, who are from a country that's recent fought with Germany. We know the girl looks like a Nazi, the studio knows, just call her a fucking Nazi. I'm begging you.
Fuck it. I've been WAY too nice to this series. Dropped. If I want to see an anime where story characters beat the shit out of each other, I'll just rewatch Fate/Zero for the 3rd time.

I agreed with everything you said up until the Nazi part. That was just false. The Japanese were part of the Axis forces in World War II, they were on the same side as Germany, and the character has no similarity to a Nazi whatsoever besides wearing a military uniform whose design is absolutely NOT that of the Nazis.

I don't care. It looks like a Nazi uniform from my perspective, therefore it's a fucking Nazi uniform.
I warned that this was gonna be a pretentious rant.
I'm just saying.

If I said Auschwitz looks like a private school, therefore it's a private school, that's absolutely wrong and I'd be ignoring the point that 1.1 million Jews were killed there during the Holocaust. Black is not white, and complaining about something which is just blatantly false is just ignorant.

You are right, it was better than a private school. Pools, dentists, private orchestra, greenhouse, own soccer team, library, even own currency and all kinds of entertainment facilities. Wait, weren't they 6 mil.. gorillion? x) I'd be more concerned about the millions of native europeans that died in the war, bringing out the jews as more important is disrespectful to the german people that died for their countries.
That's some really sophisticated mind jumps going from anime character design to the holohoax, holy mother of triggers lmao.

The point is that that bringing up Nazi designs and declaring it true by perspective doesn't make it true and can be rather offensive, the comparison uses the holocaust because the other is to Nazis.

Apr 30, 2017 6:07 AM

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firemagnet said:

Lelouch0202 said:
A pretty informative episode I suppose.

So we basically might be heading towards something like a Doomsday plot due the very contradiction of the fact that beings who are not supposed to exist in fact exist. If that law were true, every Isekai anime out there should not exist. xD

My favorite part of the episode was when Meteora said she respected her creator for creating such a great world. It was really nice to see her appreciating him. :)
Too bad the guy died in an accident.

Seems the military princess really does want to destroy the world, no info on the mystery from the ending of last episode though.

The soundtrack in this series is pretty good.

This episode was pretty good. Further, keep in mind that Meteora may be incorrect about the end of the world. We don't yet know what form these cracks will take. OTOH, it's pretty clear that the next fight is all but set up; we have Gunpuku no Himegimi's camp of aggressors who wish to shape the world to their own ends or destroy it entirely (Himegimi, Aliceteria, Blitz, Mamika), the camp that wishes to preserve the world and that has come to terms with their own existence (Meteora, Celesia, Yuuya, Rui) and then we have the wildcards who could belong in both or neither; Magane and Yuuya.

What's increasingly notable about the characters who form Himegimi's camp are how bound they are by the logic of their worlds. Himegimi wants nothing but revenge, and is willing to do anything and use anyone to achieve it; Aliceteria has been swallowed by her role in the narrative, and Mamika is almost narcissistic, viewing the world as black and white--those who side with her and those who don't. That being said, she isn't particularly malicious. Blitz Tokar seems to be an unknown at this point, but it's clear that he's not exactly the friendliest of people.

True that what Meteora said is nothing more than a hypothesis but it looks like our Princess also seems to believe in the same hypothesis based off her interaction with Aliceteriaat the end. So in terms of plot progression there is a very likely chance that this might turn out as some kind of doomsday plot. Of course the possibility it does not also exists.

I like your breakdown of the characters under the Princess. :)

Apr 30, 2017 6:32 AM

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so the Military princess just wants to revolt against the creators

Apr 30, 2017 6:32 AM

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[quote=klaki892 message=50541656]

AnimeFanboy1234 said:

firemagnet said:

What he said. It defies logic that you would continue to watch a show if you don't like it. If you're going to complain this much, at least wait until the first season is over.

AnimeFanboy1234 said:

-ShadowClaw- said:
You really can't please people these days.

When their is not enough World building their is complaining.
When their is not enough World building their is complaining
When their is to much Action their is complaining.
When their is not much Action their is complaining.

I swear, their are more spoiled brats here than in a candy shop.

Alright maybe their have been a little to much world building but it is still a necessary plot point.

Beside 2 episodes focusing on world building is not much to complain about. Just better let this out in the beginning so we can focus more on the action and story progression later.

In Total we have
1 Light Novel ( Selesia Yupitiria)

1 Game (Meteora Österreich)

3 Anime (Mamika Kirameki, Rui Kanoya, Magane Chikujōin)

3 Manga ( Alicetelia February, Yūya Mirokuji, Blitz Tokar )

1 Unknown ( Military Uniform Princess)

Quite an interesting variety of choices i would say.

I am confident this series will still be good. People are judging it a bit to early. Just give it more time.

Has it crossed your mind that people want something called, "balance"?
Countless series like Fate/Zero can balance all those things together. Even the infamous first ep embodies many of the things beloved of the series:
-Character motivation
-Fascinating dialogue
-Interesting characters
-Interesting world-building

The only thing Re: Creators had going for it from the start was cool action, which barely appears anymore. Why would it have a consistent presence later on then?
"Just give it more time"
Why would I like an anime LATER, when it bores me to death from early on? Many good/bad elements of anime appear quite early on and till the end: long-ass boring scenes of characters just talking, characters' backstories being SLIGHTLY mentioned but not elaborated = not actually being revealed.
"I am confident this series will *still* be good."
Why wouldn't a good anime be good early on? A shaky start, sure, maybe a little, "eh", but this anime borderline makes me want to kill myself, if the rant I posted did not make it clear. I have NEVER watched an anime that started off genuinely bad, but I actually liked by the end. The chances of that happening are 1 out of 10.

Worthwhile to note that Fate/Zero is a poor example as it a) had arguably the best studio working on it and b) had a massive amount of lore to give it context. The characters, narrative and lore were already well developed for the Fate series.

I was talking about Fate/Zero as a stand-alone, about how even though you were given little context of the characters, you had a great grasp of WHO they were, and how they thematically lined up.
In Re: Creators, what do the "characters" have in common, besides being JRPG characters, to make them thematically line up?

I agree with Shadowclaw that it appears most people in this discussion are looking at extremes and not midpoints. (given, the people who aren't complaining about the show are hopeful/patient to see where it goes)

Fate/Zero is a bad comparison to make to this show. Your argument of knowing "Who" the characters are requires knowing the stories behind them. Fate/Zero touches on this for some characters (Saber, Berserker, etc) and not very well on others (Caster, and Assassin)

Fate/Zero only has to do so much to make the historical figures they picked work in their stories because you can find everyone's morals and backgrounds on each of their respective wikipedia pages. (For example, Caster's personality makes little sense, his obsession and backstory you cant really connect the reasoning and personality "dots" unless you actually look up Gilles de Rais and know who he is)

In Re:Creators, none of their character's bio's or their history can be seen because they aren't directly based off of historical figures, they're based of created characters in the world of Re:Creators and thus i would argue that requires the monologue detailing where everyone stands in the situations of uncertainity.

Should the studio spend the time on something else other than monologue? that can be debated until the end of time.

I'm not saying pick the show back up. But Fate/Zero (standalone) appeals to different people for different reasons, and the same goes for Re:Creators since they are just both mediums of entertainment.

Why is monologue, "required"? Storytelling is WAY more flexible than people give it credit for: you can use flashbacks, you can cut out characters, etc. People don't write a script by going, "Okay, this is going to be character x, this will be the conflict", and then just let everything flow by itself and then go, "Oh, those boring monologue scenes? They were absolutely necessary! You don't know what you're talking about!"
I've been talking about what little context Fate/Zero gives to its characters *as a stand alone*. I never refereed to how you can just google them, I've been saying you can get a basic idea on who they are JUST from watching fate/zero, and fate/zero alone. Why is what I'm saying here so hard to understand?

Aquamirror said:
Strident said:

If I said Auschwitz looks like a private school, therefore it's a private school, that's absolutely wrong and I'd be ignoring the point that 1.1 million Jews were killed there during the Holocaust. Black is not white, and complaining about something which is just blatantly false is just ignorant.

You are right, it was better than a private school. Pools, dentists, private orchestra, greenhouse, own soccer team, library, even own currency and all kinds of entertainment facilities. Wait, weren't they 6 mil.. gorillion? x) I'd be more concerned about the millions of native europeans that died in the war, bringing out the jews as more important is disrespectful to the german people that died for their countries.
That's some really sophisticated mind jumps going from anime character design to the holohoax, holy mother of triggers lmao.
The point is that that bringing up Nazi designs and declaring it true by perspective doesn't make it true and can be rather offensive, the comparison uses the holocaust because the other is to Nazis.

Jesus Christ, dude, I brought up the freaking Nazis, even a 5 year old could tell I was joking. Calm down.

[quote=klaki892 message=50541656]
AnimeFanboy1234 said:
firemagnet said:

What he said. It defies logic that you would continue to watch a show if you don't like it. If you're going to complain this much, at least wait until the first season is over.

Worthwhile to note that Fate/Zero is a poor example as it a) had arguably the best studio working on it and b) had a massive amount of lore to give it context. The characters, narrative and lore were already well developed for the Fate series.

I was talking about Fate/Zero as a stand-alone, about how even though you were given little context of the characters, you had a great grasp of WHO they were, and how they thematically lined up.
In Re: Creators, what do the "characters" have in common, besides being JRPG characters, to make them thematically line up?

I agree with Shadowclaw that it appears most people in this discussion are looking at extremes and not midpoints. (given, the people who aren't complaining about the show are hopeful/patient to see where it goes)

Fate/Zero is a bad comparison to make to this show. Your argument of knowing "Who" the characters are requires knowing the stories behind them. Fate/Zero touches on this for some characters (Saber, Berserker, etc) and not very well on others (Caster, and Assassin)

Fate/Zero only has to do so much to make the historical figures they picked work in their stories because you can find everyone's morals and backgrounds on each of their respective wikipedia pages. (For example, Caster's personality makes little sense, his obsession and backstory you cant really connect the reasoning and personality "dots" unless you actually look up Gilles de Rais and know who he is)

In Re:Creators, none of their character's bio's or their history can be seen because they aren't directly based off of historical figures, they're based of created characters in the world of Re:Creators and thus i would argue that requires the monologue detailing where everyone stands in the situations of uncertainity.

Should the studio spend the time on something else other than monologue? that can be debated until the end of time.

I'm not saying pick the show back up. But Fate/Zero (standalone) appeals to different people for different reasons, and the same goes for Re:Creators since they are just both mediums of entertainment.

Good, informative post, and FWIW I agree entirely. I cannot comprehend why so many people are at the extremes when this show has done a "relatively" good job of fleshing itself out thus far. Indeed, I see people crying for more action. Well, look where that got Aldnoah Zero; a poorly explained universe that turned into a villain-of-the-week show where the plot hinged on one character almost explicitly and the logic was simply full of holes (quantum replication, anyone?)

Better that the series takes the time to explain itself and give meaning to its battles than the weekly "Inaho saves the world (again)."

As I pointed out earlier, with the exception of Magane, all of the characters have been introduced or established, and the logic has been established for the next round of action; Meteora and Co. must now find Himegimi's creator (or what's left of her), while Himegimi and her posse must draw out Meteora and the others into battle to undermine the foundations of the world.

Again, countless anime can balance all of that: They can have an ep where if there's no fighting, characters are moving around and doing something interesting, and not talking about something the audience can easily figure out for 10 whole minutes.
The way how you and others are oversimplify peoples' complaints about the lack of action as, "Just wanting action" is really getting on my nerves, but I should not be surpirsed.

Apr 30, 2017 6:50 AM

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firemagnet said:

Agreed, though Gunpuku no Himegimi likely already has read the source material. That much is clear from how she addressed Celesia in the first episode.

My take is that Himegimi will increasingly try to create "cracks" in the world by publicly forcing clashes between her team and Celesia's group; the more outlandish the better as the world is forced to change in order to accommodate them. In addition to that, she will likely have her group openly disrupt public order and attack institutions of authority such as the police or military in order to cement her own power to better enter the public consciousness. Her objective may not be to destroy the world, but to reverse the relationship of the creators and the created. Whether or not she realizes how much damage it might do is up in the air at this point.

That makes sense, she did seem to be encouraging Alice to fight with the other creations and didn't particularly care whether they joined her or not.

Apr 30, 2017 7:28 AM

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firemagnet said:

forexjammer said:
Holy mother of God why the hell are you still here?
Just drop this series for goodness sake

What he said. It defies logic that you would continue to watch a show if you don't like it. If you're going to complain this much, at least wait until the first season is over.

I don't think I've ever seen GangsterCat do anything but complain, so either he's impossible to please or very easily amused by trolling people.

@AnimeFanboy1234
You're messing up the bbcode by leaving out a /quote somewhere, your last few posts have been pretty messy as a result. That aside, I'd suggest you just drop the series, because I suspect the fighting isn't going to be a focus of the show; I say this because the opening and ending credits are almost always relevant to the theme and tone of their respective titles, and in Re:Creator's case the ending suggests there will be an emphasis on the slice of life aspect. As many have pointed out this is a reverse isekai story and almost every such story tend to focus on the MC adapting to his/her new world, so I wouldn't be surprised if there will be a lot of action-lite episodes in the future.

Apr 30, 2017 7:31 AM

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The final discussion between the creators regarding their materialised creations was priceless. Gazing upon a giant robot must be shocking...

Apr 30, 2017 7:46 AM

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I'm with most people that this was a pretty hefty info dump. I don't need every episode to be all action but man this was pushing it. I'm still interested in seeing where all this goes. But down to the real issue at hand...

When are they going to introduce the best character, Makagami?! Granted, I know nothing about her but based on her character design I can tell I'm going to like her. But of course the character I want to see turns out to be the LAST one to be introduced...lol

Apr 30, 2017 7:47 AM

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MysteriousBanana said:

firemagnet said:

What he said. It defies logic that you would continue to watch a show if you don't like it. If you're going to complain this much, at least wait until the first season is over.

I don't think I've ever seen GangsterCat do anything but complain, so either he's impossible to please or very easily amused by trolling people.

@AnimeFanboy1234
You're messing up the bbcode by leaving out a /quote somewhere, your last few posts have been pretty messy as a result. That aside, I'd suggest you just drop the series, because I suspect the fighting isn't going to be a focus of the show; I say this because the opening and ending credits are almost always relevant to the theme and tone of their respective titles, and in Re:Creator's case the ending suggests there will be an emphasis on the slice of life aspect. As many have pointed out this is a reverse isekai story and almost every such story tend to focus on the MC adapting to his/her new world, so I wouldn't be surprised if there will be a lot of action-lite episodes in the future.

I don't understand what you mean. I've been trying to respond to others in one post by copy and pasting everything they said.
If you read my original post, you'd know that I said I have decided to drop this anime. I'm only responding to other peoples' response to my posts.

Apr 30, 2017 7:50 AM

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The doomsday plan is nothing but a cognitive dissonance in what humanity believes fundamentally and what is going on in the series. If they started coming out, something that should not be here, and even clashing, destroying buildings and wreaking havoc, the humanity will be inclined to react to it all. The doomsday is presumale self-destruction of humanity by trying to make sense of things that were not supposed to be made sense of.

Re:formed

Apr 30, 2017 8:09 AM

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The problem with this show is that there's too much tell and too little show. They talk too much. Be more subtle and have hints, things left unsaid to pick up on. It's boring as heck watching someone talk over dinner. Not all shows can pull off non-stop dialogue.

"Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii

There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov

Apr 30, 2017 8:19 AM

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AnimeFanboy1234 said:

Why is monologue, "required"? Storytelling is WAY more flexible than people give it credit for: you can use flashbacks, you can cut out characters, etc. People don't write a script by going, "Okay, this is going to be character x, this will be the conflict", and then just let everything flow by itself and then go, "Oh, those boring monologue scenes? They were absolutely necessary! You don't know what you're talking about!"
I've been talking about what little context Fate/Zero gives to its characters *as a stand alone*. I never refereed to how you can just google them, I've been saying you can get a basic idea on who they are JUST from watching fate/zero, and fate/zero alone. Why is what I'm saying here so hard to understand?

Again, countless anime can balance all of that: They can have an ep where if there's no fighting, characters are moving around and doing something interesting, and not talking about something the audience can easily figure out for 10 whole minutes.
The way how you and others are oversimplify peoples' complaints about the lack of action as, "Just wanting action" is really getting on my nerves, but I should not be surpirsed.

In a way, I would say Meteroa's character and the plot progression to this point "required" monologue. Not to mention, from her character we've seen thus far it's usually her job to explain theories and possibilities (and will probably continue)

Im not saying storytelling requires monologue, but in certain situations it does, like the one presented in this episode. I believe that there are few other ways someone could've presented Meteroa's theories and her positioning on the issue without her taking the time to explain it (in her own character's fashion)

One could argue, they could've made that entire scene more interesting by drawing it out at the same time as she's explaining it and thus distracting people on the fact that it was one character talking for 10 minutes (Monogatari does this well)

But on the counter-side, as other people have already pointed out, what Meteora's said (other than saying shes on their side) is still just a theory which the show spent a good deal of time on. I doubt that would've flown over too many peoples head even if the explanation was presented in a different fashion and the complaints would still be there.
Content and context still matters despite it execution. And execution is always a what-if game in retrospect.

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